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misqueue ([personal profile] misqueue) wrote2012-10-06 01:35 pm

An attempt at reaction: 4x04



First, I'm not going to play the Better Boyfriend Olympics. I hurt for both of these boys. It's a terrible, horrible, awful situation they are in. I expect I may have more empathy for Kurt's situation, so that may make me seem biased, but I don't feel any less for Blaine, I just don't understand it as intuitively.

It's going to take me a long time to fully process this. Everyone (well, Finn, Rachel, Kurt, Blaine, Santana, Brittany) made me cry for them in their own moments of pain. The episode was well executed. Brutal, but well crafted. I haven't felt this emotionally drained by a show since the end of Babylon 5. Actually, I don't think I've ever felt this much heartache over a show. I did not know I was capable of feeling this way.

Onward.

While I do not think it was out of character, I did not expect Blaine to cheat, and certainly not so casually (it wasn't exactly casual, but I can't think of a better word for the ease with which he tore his own heart out; it was self-destructive and terrifying how glibly he slid that knife into his chest). I honestly thought the cheating spoilers were nonsense, but even with them in mind as a possible outcome, I was not prepared. I knew Blaine was an imminent emotional trainwreck, but I didn't believe it would get this bad. I know many are saying Blaine had to hit rock bottom, and maybe he did with Eli. But, man, sometimes the bottom of that pit is quicksand, not rock, and I think Blaine may still be sinking.

So things.

• Kurt is good at holding his breath. It's how he survives; he keeps his eye on the prize, he compartmentalizes, sets aside the things that hurt, and endures. Blaine cannot do this, not alone. Blaine is all process. What's happening now is not eased but what may happen later. The proverbial light at the end of the tunnel is impossibly far away when you're walking barefoot on broken glass. Even if the guy at the other end is holding your shoes.(Please pardon the mangled cliché)

• Blaine, while missing Kurt, summons Kurt's memory in the outfit Kurt wore the first time they met. That was when Kurt needed Blaine. Now Kurt doesn't (or so Blaine believes; he misses being needed). So maybe he was thinking, if Kurt doesn't need him any longer, at least someone else could use him.

• Eli the lighthouse was brighter than Blaine's north star in that moment. Eli is a Lie.

• I don't think the 'hook up' means nothing to Blaine, but he is perhaps terrified of what it does mean, which is why he can't offer any explanation to Finn. I don't think he got anything out of the encounter with Eli except an extra helping of self-loathing.

This is going to be the hardest thing for Kurt to come to terms with, I think. That Blaine can say it didn't mean anything, when clearly it has to, otherwise, the obvious implication is that sex with Kurt never meant anything either, because why would you destroy something precious with something that didn't mean anything unless it was never all that precious in the first place?

I think--and others have mentioned this too--that for Kurt sex means everything, so he probably views this as a binary thing. If it wasn't a sacred everything to Blaine, then it's a nothing now. I'm not sure Kurt's going to be able to see a middle ground here for a while. He cannot separate emotional and physical intimacy.

Blaine thinks he can. Or he thought he could. Or he is trying to convince himself he can, because the truth is too hard to realize. Sex doesn't mean nothing, but Blaine desperately wishes it did. Tries to prove to himself that it doesn't. But he fails and breaks himself, breaks Kurt. He tells Kurt it didn't mean anything, but he knows that's a lie as soon as it trips off his tongue like an accusation. But he can't believe the truth, so he says the lie. He needs to believe that. It didn't mean anything. He didn't mean anything. It doesn't matter. He doesn't... Oh. See, Blaine?

If Blaine's primary requirement for a relationship is to feel needed and valuable, then I think Kurt's is to feel safe. Everyone wants to feel valued and safe in their romantic relationships, but there are possibly varying levels of priority. And given what Kurt has been through, safety is I think what he requires most. Now it's gone, so this will be hard to process. Kurt will forgive Blaine, but I don't know to what extent he'll be able to repair the romantic relationship, it won't happen quickly. Kurt will, I think--because he has empathy as well as compassion, and he does love Blaine--come to understand that Blaine needs that safety too, and Kurt can provide it, if he chooses to. That's going to take a big leap of faith, but then, often times mature love does.

While Blaine is going to need to do a ton of work to regain Kurt's trust--and he needs to be able to own up to what he did rather than blaming Kurt (Without picking sides, that was awful, Blaine)--I also think Kurt is going to have to make some grand romantic gesture (which is not really his thing so much; he prefers to receive them, it seems to me) to reassure Blaine that they are possible again. His forgiveness and acceptance needs to be clear and complete for Blaine. And if hippo brooch is the talisman and omen I think it is, there may be something like a marriage proposal in their future this season, but I am not holding my breath. At any rate, the Teenage Dream is dead for now; they must transform or die.

• Blaine didn't sing the first verse of TD, and I know why. When he can sing the first verse to Kurt? That's when they'll be okay. Also when the bowties return?

And this is as far as I've got today with my thinking. I need to process more; there was so much to this episode.

Also, clearly I fail at predictions, but I am hoping for some sort of reconciliation at Christmas. Not romantically--that'll take a while--but I think Kurt will be able to forgive Blaine and be his friend again.

One more thing.

• Can we now agree Blaine has a mood disorder? I think he may indeed be bipolar and that club flyer was no mistake.
heresluck: (glee: blaine)

[personal profile] heresluck 2012-10-07 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
If Blaine's primary requirement for a relationship is to feel needed and valuable, then I think Kurt's is to feel safe.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

I also think Kurt is going to have to make some grand romantic gesture (which is not really his thing so much; he prefers to receive them, it seems to me) to reassure Blaine that they are possible again.

Also makes sense -- though I think Kurt has shown that he's willing to make romantic gestures; I'm thinking especially of his song in "Dance With Somebody." Though admittedly that was not nearly as public as Blaine's songs for Kurt have been.

[identity profile] wowbright.livejournal.com 2012-10-06 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
This was beautifully done and hit hone for me on several levels. If I felt capable if writing meta now, I would say something like you've said here. I think I'll be stuck in only-able-to-meta-through-fic mode for a while, though. I'm glad there are people like you to make my thoughts coherent to myself.

[identity profile] misqueue.livejournal.com 2012-10-06 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, thank you. It still feels like a giant mess in my head, but I'm glad I managed to get out something sensible! :D I'm trying really hard to work this into the head-canon I've developed for ITWOS, because i want to keep writing in that 'verse, but it's hard and just making it hurt more somehow. But I hope I can, eventually, work through this stuff in fic, where it's easier to let intuition lead the way when I'm struggling with more concrete notions.

(Also, thank you so much for your kind words about my fic the other day! <3)

ep 4 well, I called that wrong...

[identity profile] springbay.livejournal.com 2012-10-06 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
Hey Misque :) How are you, doing better? First off, this is a lovely and oh-so-insightful recap of the episode. My feelings were expressed more like, "Kurt Blaine-sad. Me no likey." That's why you're the writer and not me :)

I thought I'd have strong feelings for this episode, and I do to some extent, but mostly I feel kind of numb. Bottom line, I can't believe they had Blaine cheat. I thought the spoilers were nonsense too, but in a way they made the revelation slightly less painful when it came because I don't think I would have picked up on the FB thing if I wasn't looking for it. You're right, Blaine is an emotional train wreck and I have a hard time reconciling ep4 Blaine with ep1 Blaine who sent his boyfriend off to NYC. Blaine is just so lost and broken now. Even in the episode he just seemed shell-shocked. I definitely think he's acquired a lot of self loathing in his quest to just feel something.

And poor Kurt. I won't rehash what you said about him because I agree with it all. At some point we need to see them talking about their issues. If Blaine had been able to tell Kurt what he told Sam after the election, and Kurt really heard him, maybe things would have been different - but that's obviously not the tale Ryan wants to tell now. I know the previews showed Kurt and Rachel at McKinley (more than likely for the musical) so maybe that will be the start of something for K&B. The fact that Kurt didn't break up with him yet gives me a teeny tiny glimmer of hope and that's what I'm holding on to. I would also like to state at this point that I know these are fictional characters ;) I blame Darren and Chris for making them resonate so much that we feel as we do.

I don't know how much you surf around fandom but this piece seems to be making the rounds and it's a really great (I thought) analysis of the ep and trying to understand Blaine's motivations. Actually, I remembered this as I read your reaction above and "companion piece" was my first thought. Apologies if you've already seen it: http://sunandrainfic.tumblr.com/post/32929561281/what-exactly-is-going-through-your-head-right-now

It's also interesting to me how Darren and Chris responded to the cheating storyline. Darren wrote that lovely letter to his fans thanking them for the last two years that had a "please don't be mad at me, this wasn't my choice" (which I firmly believe) undertone to it. Chris did that insider.com interview where he seems fine with the break up and "is excited to see what the future holds" for Kurt and "I just want to see him live and be his own person".

Whew, this is longer than I expected. I guess I had more feelings than I thought. :)

Me too Re: ep 4 well, I called that wrong...

[identity profile] misqueue.livejournal.com 2012-10-06 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, Springbay!

I'm feeling better this evening. More hopeful anyway, though I don't know why. :P Or perhaps I'm just moving into numb as well.

I have a hard time reconciling ep4 Blaine with ep1 Blaine who sent his boyfriend off to NYC. Blaine is just so lost and broken now.

Stuff like this is part of why I'm leaning toward bipolar for him, because it is starting to really feel like there's more going on than just showface!Blaine versus vulnerable!Blaine. He's having so many extreme ups and downs along with the impulsive & self-destructive behaviour. Poor Blaine. As much as I do not in any way condone his behaviour, I feel mostly sympathy & concern for him right now.

It's weird how (this is at least true for me sometimes) it's easier to talk to a friend than your partner about some things. I don't know that Blaine is comfortable with being so not okay in front of Kurt. Particularly if he is still seeing New Kid Kurt. When he's feeling okay, he understands what NYC means to Kurt. That understanding is not enough to get him through the night, though. :S

The fact that Kurt didn't break up with him yet gives me a teeny tiny glimmer of hope

Me too. It's not much, but it's good maybe that Kurt didn't just break it off there and then? I like that he's taking time to think before he speaks or decides. (Kurt's power lies in his voice a lot of the time.) Someone on tumblr (can't remember who D:) wrote that Kurt may need time to process before he feels like he can talk to Blaine without hurting him. I like that idea. I do think Kurt is going to have to push Blaine to tell him what it did mean. Blaine has to face that, and Kurt needs to understand it well enough to accept it.

I did see that piece by sunandrainfic this morning. Mind you, this morning is a bit of a blur of too little sleep, too much sadness, and a bit of a hangover (I'm not proud of myself), so I need to reread it.

Chris and Darren are indeed amazing actors and so good to their fans (Darren's letter was amazing). I can see how both of them might be looking forward to developing their characters outside the relationship, though. I love both characters enough, I'm keen to see it however it goes. I do hope they will reunite as a couple at some stage this season, but the meantime will be good (if painful, because Blaine has some work to do). They both totally brought their A+++++ game to the episode (everyone did) so I hope they are both getting many kudos and not too much anger from their fans.

FWIW, I don't think there's anything at all wrong with engaging deeply with stories and their characters. Stories are a very fundamental thing for human beings. We understand out lives through narrative; it's good for our brains. If a story is making us feel & think this much, then its doing something right! :)

It's good to hear from you tonight! I was thinking of you earlier (and not just because you so kindly rec'ed my fic).

[identity profile] springbay.livejournal.com 2012-10-06 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
You know, that was my first fic rec and I've been on LJ since Spring 2011 :) I'm excited, though, that as I was looking for the link to your story I saw you have downloads on AO3. iPad, meet ITWOS. :D

I don't know how it became 5:30 am here but it is and I have 14 tabs open regarding reviews, etc for this episode. Talk about engaged... I've lost the ability to make a coherent thought but let me regroup and, perhaps,bring something of substance to the table. You know, other that "Blaine hurting, me sad".

[identity profile] misqueue.livejournal.com 2012-10-06 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
:D It's not all of the fic up at AO3 yet (I really need to finish editing so I can put a nice clean version up there, and finish the epilogue; the heartache has derailed me) but I'm glad you found that helpful! I prefer reading longer fics on my Kindle whenever I can.

I hope you went to bed, got a good night's sleep, and have woken up feeling a little less sad. *hug*

[identity profile] springbay.livejournal.com 2012-10-07 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
I hope your un-derailed soon :) *hugs back* I'll hold off on downloading and just read in LJ for now and check back periodically.

I enjoyed your Jungian Meta Spam even though it's been oh so many years since my Psych classes. You explained the Animus and Blaine's journey so well. Your comments about co-dependence and being lost were spot on.

I follow a thread on Glee Forum and there's an annoying little voice that inundates us with Seblaine spam no matter the topic. So I chuckled at this in your comment regarding Sebastian, "He also needs to metaphorically behead, stab through the heart, or drown Sebastian, so I'm glad to hear Grant is returning. (Or, alternatively, actually become friends with him in a way that is not threatening, but this seems unlikely? IDK, I'm still a little uncertain here. Sebastian is Shadow so must be defeated or integrated.)"

I'm sure as the hiatus rolls on the heartache will dull to a mere twinge. It'll be interesting to see what kind of spoilers and such come out in the next 5 weeks. Also, I imagine there will be a big publicity push to remind people Glee is coming back. So... see you at 4.05 if not before :)

[identity profile] misqueue.livejournal.com 2012-10-08 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
I hope your un-derailed soon.

Thank you. Me too! I think I'm going to reread the fic myself, do some edits, and come back to the epilogue without TBU hanging over my head quite so heavily.

I enjoyed your Jungian Meta Spam

I'm glad! Yesterday I somehow ended up in a manic brain space and writing out that stuff was helping me regain perspective on Glee as a story so I could get back a little bit of emotional breathing space. I can't actually remember if we did Jung in any depth in the intro Psych classes I took, but I picked up Man and His Symbols on a whim and just loved it, couldn't put it down. Even more than a more general comparative mythology approach, it fundamentally changed the way I understand stories and their importance, even if his work isn't really considered good science these days. I think his ideas go a long way to understanding why stories resonate within us, why we share them, why we engage with them the way we do, their importance to us as human animals, why we keep telling the same ones endlessly.

Seblaine, oh my. I can't see Sebastian as anything but supremely dangerous to Blaine. I thought we may have had that resolution in DWS when Blaine is finally able to speak up for himself to Kurt in Emma's office. I think Sebastian is a sort of Bluebeard like figure to Blaine, the Shadow that teaches Blaine to resist being a victim and advocate for himself. So, it will be interesting to see if Sebastian still wields any power over Blaine and how Blaine responds to it.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of spoilers and such come out

I have never been more willing to be spoiled than I am over this hiatus.

I really should have the epilogue done over the hiatus, and maybe another little fic in the ITWOS timeline set over 2x18, so I hope to have some things to share with you before 4x05. :) It's so much easier for me to write when Glee isn't giving me new material to integrate every week.

Spoiler, spoiler, who's got the spoiler...

[identity profile] springbay.livejournal.com 2012-10-08 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
A quick note on a freezing Sunday night.
I have never been more willing to be spoiled than I am over this hiatus.
So have you seen this? I found it at Glee forum. The poster says that it's from the Tumblr that spoiled the cheating storyline by leaking part of the script for episode 7.

http://toddgoodmans.tumblr.com/tagged/spoiler-talk

*singsong voice* there's some Sebastian stuff :)

Best of luck in finishing your epilogue. I'm sure it will be wonderful!

[identity profile] misqueue.livejournal.com 2012-10-09 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, thank you for the link (and sorry to be delayed with a reply). I saw some of those spoilers, but not all of them. I'm now wondering if the two-part Thanksgiving episode will be 4x06 & 4x07 OR 4x07 & 4x08. This episode sounds like it has potential to end on a cliffhanger for a two-parter.
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[identity profile] misqueue.livejournal.com 2012-10-11 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
(Quickly) Hi! And yeah, I saw that it was marked as spam. Livejournal has been doing that to a lot to comments in my journal recently and I don't know why, but I have been unflagging them as soon as I see it's a problem. (Thanks for all your thinky thoughts! I'm not able to reply at length just right now, but I shall!)

ETA Oops? Where'd you go?
Edited 2012-10-11 21:55 (UTC)

[identity profile] crush on you (from livejournal.com) 2012-10-11 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
:) I'm back! I tried to delete the spammed posts and publish them again, several times, to see what was happening. As it turns out it seems LJ gives you the chance to post links into your comments but then considers them spam. So I took out the links and voilá, that was it! The links were to a couple of ff's that I really liked, and both were from cacophonylights at livejournal dot com, so if you're interested you can check 'Guess who's coming to dinner' at her Hundersmythe verse and a long fic called 'A change in the weather'; they're both brilliant!

[identity profile] misqueue.livejournal.com 2012-10-11 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh, okay, so LJ doesn't like links. Thanks for the fic recs. I honestly don't think I can bring myself to read Sebastian functionally romantically involved with Kurt and/or Blaine (especially not right now), but if I ever get to a place where it has personal appeal, I'll keep these in mind as a good place to start. I've seen other folks speak well of those fics, too. :)

[identity profile] crush on you (from livejournal.com) 2012-10-11 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Warning: this will be loooooong!!

Hi misqueue;

You're probably thinking hey there, long time no see! TBH I was refraining from reading your posts. When s4 started I only got to watch e1 and then for several reasons (lack of space, had to backup, etc) weeks passed by and I didn't even download the next episodes. I think I was really just afraid, initially I too was very sure about them being later reunited, but as the actual watching of the thing got closer I couldn't bring myself to go through it.

So I stayed out of twitter and out of your posts too, to avoid spoilers. I also read some other ff that paired Kurt with Sebastian, to relocate feelings so TBU wouldn't hurt so much. And some of them were really good too, so much that now I have two otp's (and both include Kurt. Kurtsie forever, heh).

But this past week has been really eventful (not in a good way), and I seriously needed distraction. So I got all missing episodes and watched them almost back to back. What follows is mostly my take on the episodes so far:

I really don't get Blaine song choices sometimes. If I'd been serenaded with 'It's time' I'd be worried to say the least. It's just a testament to Glee's quirky 'verse that Kurt doesn't bat an eyelash and hugs Blaine afterwards, as he'd just sung something sweet to him.

You were wondering about what was about 'It's time' that gave it such kind of an aura to it. I think I can pinpoint it: it's that 'don't you understand? I'm never changing who I am', which is only used in confrontation; it sounds like maybe Kurt was forcing him to be something he didn't want, though I cannot guess what would that be.

I loved! Tina singing '3' with Joe and Sam; I'm not a fan of Britney's but that song was beautifully done, and playful; reminded me of one of those ff's that I mentioned, that included Kurt, Blaine and Sebastian. And also 'Crazy' sung by Jake and Marley, that was really beautiful too, they sound great together. Those will surely be part of my summer playlist.

About Blaine's turn as president. Loved!! that Sam suggests he goes without the bowtie! Couldn't help but remember your Blaine in the garden gate, and swoon! But about the presidency itself, whatever silly things they made him say, he's the one with an agenda to fulfill, so it was cool he won. But if he now leaves McKinley to return to Dalton, wouldn't it hurt his record for later, as in choosing to abandon a willingly acquired responsibility? I really need to meet his parents now! I mean, in canon he's said that his father's not happy with him being gay. Not a word about his mother (I cannot fail to recall your version of her, misqueue, and cross fingers that she gets to be like that). But he's been able to have a boyfriend *and* bring him home, *and* transfer to McKinley to be with him, and now he's going to go back to Dalton? And his parents won't say a word about this? Although I'm thrilled that we'll get to see more Sebastian, this back-and-forth just doesn't cut it for me.
Edited 2012-10-11 23:23 (UTC)

[identity profile] crush on you (from livejournal.com) 2012-10-11 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
e4 took a little extra time to watch, what with some obstacles that wouldn't let me, but I finally got to watch it complete yesterday. As expected it did affect me a lot, but my very inquisitive 6yo was watching with me so I refrained from being too obvious. I could tell she was surprised, because she didn't utter a word. When it ended I sent her to play and I hid, to cry my eyes out and sob in private.

For a while I was in denial about Blaine cheating (omg, this is NOT happening! where's the 'you're the love of my life'?) but then I read the link that springbay suggested and it helped to clear out some things (hi there springbay! your math comment caught my eye too, and I agree with you about it, but I don't like to intervene with just a 'This'. Glad to see you!).

I was just as shaken as Kurt looked when Blaine sang TD in such a broken way. I agree that when Blaine says he's alone it maybe means different things than when Kurt says it. And to really get together again they need to talk about it and get to the bottom of it. I think Kurt didn't break up because he remembers having said he won't be saying goodbye, and that does mean there's still hope for them.

I loved! Santana's version of 'Mine', and it definitely made me cry, but don't understand why would she sing such a song and immediately afterwards proceed to break up with Britt. Even when I do like a lot that, being known as such a bitch sometimes, she's the one that gets the best way to do such a difficult thing as breaking up with someone you still love. I think this couple will endure.

Will and Emma only had a misunderstanding, so maybe they won't be hurt much; they only need to sit and talk Will's opportunity more thoroughly, because obviously they both assumed things on the other's part that didn't turn out to be so. They just need to cool down, and they have the advantage of their being grownups, so it shouldn't be that hard.

And finally, Rachel and Finn. I must confess that Finn doesn't do anything for me, whereas Brody, um, does. I mean, he dances, yay! *And* sings! Not to mention those eyes (and the rest)! If I were Rachel I'd choose Brody in a heartbeat. But that's just me of course :) So, if there must be a couple that won't make it, I'd vote for them. I hope the writers don't just go and vilify Brody to get Rachel to go back to Finn. Cassie's comment does point in that direction though.

And now I'm off to read your one shot about TBU, and rewatch these episodes till the season continues. Hugs to you both, I always enjoy to read you!

[identity profile] springbay.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
Hi crush_onyou! I was re-reading misqueue's (wonderful) 4.04 reaction and saw your sweet comment so I thought I'd say hello *waves*. Three weeks later and I find (along with fandom, apparently) I'm still thinking about this episode (and, quite frankly, wondering how they're going to break our hearts between now and the next hiatus) <-- haha that's a joke (but not really...) I hope rewatching 4.04 isn't/wasn't as bad the second time around. On the math front, I was just discussing imaginary numbers with my math teacher friend and the next day the new "Struck by Lighting" trailer was released. If you haven't seen it Chris Colfer's character has a brillliant line about imaginary numbers.

[identity profile] misqueue.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
(Just wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten your big comments, I'm just not in quite the right headspace to answer thoughtfully just right now. I'm trying to finish up my ITWOS epilogue. I hope you're well and the stressful events have calmed down a bit for you. *hug!*)